Let me start over. Dear Frau Betch. I can't help but want to change one letter in your name. You see I'm NOT hesitant. I'm REFUSENIK. You are attempting to take away my right to informed consent which is something I'll defend with all means for without it I will have the same status as livestock which would be a baaaaaaaad idea.
How can I give informed consent when information is being withheld? I can’t and as such I refuse to do so. What information is being withheld? I'm so glad you asked!!
1) The patents have "company proprietary secret sauce ingredients" and the government let them get away with that! This is NOT Kentucy Fried Chicken. This is an IRREVERSIBLE experimental gene therapy injection.
2) The raw data from the “Phase 2 Human Experimental Trials” which completed in October 2020, has not been made publicly available. Pfizer & Moderna have said that they will release it “sometime in 2022”. Talk to me AFTER that.
There is NO NEGOTIATION on this point. You do NOT claim "science" and get to withhold information that they admit exists. NO, NEIN, NYET, NEVER.
Without the raw data we cannot verify their claims for safety & efficacy.
Think about the precedent you are setting. You are letting large corporations with:
1) A blatant financial conflict of interest.
2) A recent history of maiming and killing thousands of the “customers” annually.
3) Decide what information about their “products” I get to see.
And I have to take it for a disease with an IFR of 0.3? ROTFLMAO. No. That is stark raving mad.
Go ahead and give your "uninformed consent" all you want but I refuse to and you coerce me at your own peril.
I feel like there is a serious "lag time" at play here -- by the time the government actors get all their power-points together, the situation in the real world has moved on. Because bureaucracies are so slow to get moving, what with the endless meetings and deciding who will be in charge of the meetings, and where the meeting will be, etc. etc., they are trying to enact policies which MIGHT have made some sense 6-9 months ago, but certainty don't now. So the mask mandates come 4 months after the peak cases, the vax mandates come a year late....
The public health experts are now just slow-moving icebergs of destruction, and the rest of us are just praying they eventually melt down before they destroy everything.
"Among the unvaccinated, those who have had to show proof more often have a slightly higher willingness to accept vaccination." I get angry at the absurdity and totalitarianism and it makes me more resolute to not comply. I also will verbally accost the person asking to make their compliance as a tool for their handlers painful for them.
It is actually scary to think this type of stuff does have an influence on the German government. We can debate whether rightfully or not, but Germany has gained an aura of competence that glows over several European countries like Italy or Spain. Germany doing crazy, random, stuff is a great cover for politicians of those countries to just do the same: "see, Mercedes are great cars, Gaggenau are great kitchens, their Corona politics gotta be the right ones".
In the 1950s, a sociologist called Alfred Biderman studied the methods used in the Korean War to torture American prisoners of war. He developed what is called the Biderman's Chart of Coercion, which lists 8 main methods to psychologically break or brainwash individuals. These methods are also, in my opinion, are being intentionally used by governments during this pandemic.
There are obvious methods such as "Isolation" (which deprive the victim of all social support
and thus their ability to resist, plus it promotes the development of an intense concern with self). Then there is "Forcing trivial demands" by the the enforcement of ‘rules’ (which helps develop habit of compliance.) And also "Occasional indulgences" through occasional favors and promises (which creates positive motivation for compliance and hinders adjustment to deprivation)...
Former leader of Die Linke, Wagenknecht, who is unvaccinated is a hero to the right and left says Der Spiegel Magazine. Dog whistle. Only communists and Nazis are not vaccinated. That’s what they’re saying. There can be no other reason than being a political extremist.
I have begun to favour cult over conspiracy in search of explaining the inexplicable
It's unbelievable how much time, effort, and money is going into pushing these dangerous vaxxines on the (mostly unsuspecting) public. Unfortunately, every country has these exploitative opportunists who see personal opportunity (reputation, money, government connections) in times of "crisis." This class of people are a rot on humanity.
This Dr. Bitsch says the unvaxxed have "....less insight into how it benefits others." That is probably very careful language in German, as it translates as being multiple-meaning. "Less insight" can mean basically whatever she wants it to mean: "they don't know," "they don't care," "they are not equipped to know or care," "they are unreceptive to government messaging," and so on. Apparently she is not a very good pollster because not once did she ask the 80s-punker oppositional-defiant people I know who are outright hostile to the concept of enforced vaxx, and she never went back to ask how many vaxx-damaged did grudgingly vaxx under pressure, and how many regret it today, how many vaxxed now think it is Kabuki theatre, an inconvenient imposition, etc. The Left never thought that when they pressure-cooked Western society into being an amorphous blob of Godless atomized cosmopolitans that the need would ever arise to corral us into thinking and behaving according to their whim. This is the fundamental mistake of all authoritarians. One day soon they will go a bridge too far. May Providence hasten arrival of that day.
Eugyppius, it's not nice to pick on retarded people.
"Hesitancy" is such a classic example of a word that was chosen from some diabolical CIA meeting. I'm not vaccine hesitant in the least any more than I'm gouge hesitant to gouge my eyeballs out.
I have just read that Drosten is putting Spain as an example. He says the pandemic will be over here in Spring.
Here the vaccination rate is super high. I bet that people would order vaccine for dessert if they were available in restaurants, unfortunately they are not, yet...
Anyway, the weather in Spain (at least Madrid) is being extremely good. No clouds at this moment and the sun is quite strong yet (that surprises me, but it is another story).
Additionally, I guess that vaccination in Germany happend before in Spain. Hence, we are still in that period of time when the vaccines due something besides killing people (Alex Berenson calls it something like the post-vaccination valley of happiness).
Let us see what happens in a couple of months. But I have thhe following thoughts:
- Vaccines are going to lose their effect. It happens everywhere.
- Drosten must know all the data I have explained. If he does not, he is stupid.
- Nevertheless, he says that thing. Disgusting. The goal is to lure people into the vax.
And one question:
Do not regular people see how their family and friends get the virus even if they are vaccinated? I have a German friend. Told me that 3 friends of them got the virus. The 3 were fully vaccinated...
If only scientists, academics, journalists, and politicians were putting as much energy into ensuring vaccine safety as they are fighting "hesitancy". In the case of a safe and effective vaccine, wouldn't the former reduce the latter?
“2/3 to 3/4 of respondents are in favour of vaccine mandates for certain professions. Stave off possible anger about this among those affected (outreach with information, offers of vaccination), but also take care to explain to the population why it’s necessary.”
“Important: Intercept adverse psychological reactions (anger and reactions of defiance) with methods of communication.”
Did anyone else feel their fists clench and their blood start to boil as they read these? I can't describe the level of intensity of "anger and reactions of defiance" that flashed through me for just that split second.
Is it just me, or is there a nontrivial fraction of the human race that is reflexively allergic to authoritarianism?
You smug arrogant cu.....
Let me start over. Dear Frau Betch. I can't help but want to change one letter in your name. You see I'm NOT hesitant. I'm REFUSENIK. You are attempting to take away my right to informed consent which is something I'll defend with all means for without it I will have the same status as livestock which would be a baaaaaaaad idea.
How can I give informed consent when information is being withheld? I can’t and as such I refuse to do so. What information is being withheld? I'm so glad you asked!!
1) The patents have "company proprietary secret sauce ingredients" and the government let them get away with that! This is NOT Kentucy Fried Chicken. This is an IRREVERSIBLE experimental gene therapy injection.
2) The raw data from the “Phase 2 Human Experimental Trials” which completed in October 2020, has not been made publicly available. Pfizer & Moderna have said that they will release it “sometime in 2022”. Talk to me AFTER that.
There is NO NEGOTIATION on this point. You do NOT claim "science" and get to withhold information that they admit exists. NO, NEIN, NYET, NEVER.
Without the raw data we cannot verify their claims for safety & efficacy.
Think about the precedent you are setting. You are letting large corporations with:
1) A blatant financial conflict of interest.
2) A recent history of maiming and killing thousands of the “customers” annually.
3) Decide what information about their “products” I get to see.
And I have to take it for a disease with an IFR of 0.3? ROTFLMAO. No. That is stark raving mad.
Go ahead and give your "uninformed consent" all you want but I refuse to and you coerce me at your own peril.
Insightful as always -- thank you.
I feel like there is a serious "lag time" at play here -- by the time the government actors get all their power-points together, the situation in the real world has moved on. Because bureaucracies are so slow to get moving, what with the endless meetings and deciding who will be in charge of the meetings, and where the meeting will be, etc. etc., they are trying to enact policies which MIGHT have made some sense 6-9 months ago, but certainty don't now. So the mask mandates come 4 months after the peak cases, the vax mandates come a year late....
The public health experts are now just slow-moving icebergs of destruction, and the rest of us are just praying they eventually melt down before they destroy everything.
"Among the unvaccinated, those who have had to show proof more often have a slightly higher willingness to accept vaccination." I get angry at the absurdity and totalitarianism and it makes me more resolute to not comply. I also will verbally accost the person asking to make their compliance as a tool for their handlers painful for them.
'Mandatory counselling'! Looking forward to that one ;-) I'll be sitting there with my pile of academic papers and Hannah Arendt books...
Resist fascists like this piece of garbage at every turn, at every opportunity, at all times, without exception or regret.
Yes, you have to endure discomfort and inconvenience to fight tyranny. No, there is no way to fight tyranny while complying with it.
No, the tyranny will not go away if enough people comply.
Who is really in the wrong here - psychopaths such as Ms. Cornelia, or the majority of the population who support these measures?
Perhaps, we really are just f-ing stupid
It is actually scary to think this type of stuff does have an influence on the German government. We can debate whether rightfully or not, but Germany has gained an aura of competence that glows over several European countries like Italy or Spain. Germany doing crazy, random, stuff is a great cover for politicians of those countries to just do the same: "see, Mercedes are great cars, Gaggenau are great kitchens, their Corona politics gotta be the right ones".
In the 1950s, a sociologist called Alfred Biderman studied the methods used in the Korean War to torture American prisoners of war. He developed what is called the Biderman's Chart of Coercion, which lists 8 main methods to psychologically break or brainwash individuals. These methods are also, in my opinion, are being intentionally used by governments during this pandemic.
There are obvious methods such as "Isolation" (which deprive the victim of all social support
and thus their ability to resist, plus it promotes the development of an intense concern with self). Then there is "Forcing trivial demands" by the the enforcement of ‘rules’ (which helps develop habit of compliance.) And also "Occasional indulgences" through occasional favors and promises (which creates positive motivation for compliance and hinders adjustment to deprivation)...
Former leader of Die Linke, Wagenknecht, who is unvaccinated is a hero to the right and left says Der Spiegel Magazine. Dog whistle. Only communists and Nazis are not vaccinated. That’s what they’re saying. There can be no other reason than being a political extremist.
I have begun to favour cult over conspiracy in search of explaining the inexplicable
It's unbelievable how much time, effort, and money is going into pushing these dangerous vaxxines on the (mostly unsuspecting) public. Unfortunately, every country has these exploitative opportunists who see personal opportunity (reputation, money, government connections) in times of "crisis." This class of people are a rot on humanity.
This Dr. Bitsch says the unvaxxed have "....less insight into how it benefits others." That is probably very careful language in German, as it translates as being multiple-meaning. "Less insight" can mean basically whatever she wants it to mean: "they don't know," "they don't care," "they are not equipped to know or care," "they are unreceptive to government messaging," and so on. Apparently she is not a very good pollster because not once did she ask the 80s-punker oppositional-defiant people I know who are outright hostile to the concept of enforced vaxx, and she never went back to ask how many vaxx-damaged did grudgingly vaxx under pressure, and how many regret it today, how many vaxxed now think it is Kabuki theatre, an inconvenient imposition, etc. The Left never thought that when they pressure-cooked Western society into being an amorphous blob of Godless atomized cosmopolitans that the need would ever arise to corral us into thinking and behaving according to their whim. This is the fundamental mistake of all authoritarians. One day soon they will go a bridge too far. May Providence hasten arrival of that day.
Eugyppius, it's not nice to pick on retarded people.
"Hesitancy" is such a classic example of a word that was chosen from some diabolical CIA meeting. I'm not vaccine hesitant in the least any more than I'm gouge hesitant to gouge my eyeballs out.
I have just read that Drosten is putting Spain as an example. He says the pandemic will be over here in Spring.
Here the vaccination rate is super high. I bet that people would order vaccine for dessert if they were available in restaurants, unfortunately they are not, yet...
Anyway, the weather in Spain (at least Madrid) is being extremely good. No clouds at this moment and the sun is quite strong yet (that surprises me, but it is another story).
Additionally, I guess that vaccination in Germany happend before in Spain. Hence, we are still in that period of time when the vaccines due something besides killing people (Alex Berenson calls it something like the post-vaccination valley of happiness).
Let us see what happens in a couple of months. But I have thhe following thoughts:
- Vaccines are going to lose their effect. It happens everywhere.
- Drosten must know all the data I have explained. If he does not, he is stupid.
- Nevertheless, he says that thing. Disgusting. The goal is to lure people into the vax.
And one question:
Do not regular people see how their family and friends get the virus even if they are vaccinated? I have a German friend. Told me that 3 friends of them got the virus. The 3 were fully vaccinated...
It’s clear that elitist intellects should no longer have the keys to castle. Pride and ignorance make a deadly combination.
If only scientists, academics, journalists, and politicians were putting as much energy into ensuring vaccine safety as they are fighting "hesitancy". In the case of a safe and effective vaccine, wouldn't the former reduce the latter?
“2/3 to 3/4 of respondents are in favour of vaccine mandates for certain professions. Stave off possible anger about this among those affected (outreach with information, offers of vaccination), but also take care to explain to the population why it’s necessary.”
“Important: Intercept adverse psychological reactions (anger and reactions of defiance) with methods of communication.”
Did anyone else feel their fists clench and their blood start to boil as they read these? I can't describe the level of intensity of "anger and reactions of defiance" that flashed through me for just that split second.
Is it just me, or is there a nontrivial fraction of the human race that is reflexively allergic to authoritarianism?