The strength of the Omicron response propaganda is directly proportional to the obviousness of vaxx failure. They cannot hide behind "rates" for very much longer before a vast population comes into awareness. Hopefully Omicron hype becomes their final "cry wolf" moment.
yes it really does seem like the vaxes are a complete failure. I have a BS biochem degree and I work as a physician in NJ USA so I understand the concepts of priming, and escape and ADE.
there are unacceptable levels of adverse events including deaths, a waning of protection, the possibility that the vaxes are selecting for variants ( whether those new variants will be more or less dangerous remains to be seen- the natural course would be for new variants to almost always be LESS virulent). By now it seems that we should be seeing a lower death rate in the vaxxed than at this time last year. But also the vaxxed tend to be a more at-risk population anyway. Maybe there is no vaccine that could possibly be developed that would help these people. Maybe their immune systems are not capable of even responding to any vax.
But regardless, the mass vax campaign has been a failure. THe greatest public policy failure in human history. Its kind of like watching the machinations of the US federal reserve. THey just keep doubling down on a failed bad policy. Im worried that there could be a mass casualty event from ADE or a huge surge in cardiac events ...
So, better to not take a booster, wait for natural infection and hope it gives you longer/better protection. Rather than stay in the cycles of '3-4 month protection followed by negative efficacy' over and over?
More and more critical responses in Belgium. Here is a good one. The government is trying to get everyone a booster. This lady writes : a third jab won't give life long protection. (that is what the government states). Otherwise they would not have started a fourth round in Israel. Stop all those silly rules that don't work and let nature do its job. I prefer a shorter but free life to an long incarcerated one.
Several others sound the same bell. The first one did not work. The second one did not work. Do you really think the third one will do the job?
Only a few fanatics seem to continue the craze. A sigh of relief. I think the elderly, used to do what the government says, will continue to booster. But the younger population is getting more and more annoyed. I am curious what the next elections for the nuts will bring !
Question for eugyppius or anyone else qualified to respond. The reason behind mass vaccination is to bring about herd immunity. Am I correct in this assertion?
Heavily-vaccinated Iceland and Gibraltar experienced huge rates of infection after supposedly reaching herd-level vax status. Since this destroys the idea behind sticking a needle in every arm, it is completely irrational to continue to do this, especially given that the vaccinated carry as much viral load as the unvaccinated, right?
Third, was it pure folly (or outright mendacity) to believe and assert that the vax would eliminate covid? Has there ever been a respiratory virus brought to heel through vaccination?
Do we know if the virus has a latent effect? Can you be "infected" with no symptoms and then the virus will "emerge" and create sickness later? I guess what I'm wondering is if containment measures really don't matter as the vaccinated "infect" themselves based on prior exposure long ago.....
One thing to consider is the government changed the definition of fully vaxed for over 40s a few weeks back, you need to be triple vaxed or you loose your vax passport. I wouldn't be surprised if they use that to fudge the numbers.
The problem that I personally am having is dealing with the hostile belief that the unvaxxed are a serious danger to society. Even though it’s illogical and unscientific to believe that, based on our experiences with prior vaccines and mutant viruses (I.e., yearly colds and flus), I have well-educated people in my life who have taken their heads off and put them on the shelf re: COV.
I mean, fine, take the shot if you want to, but leave me alone if I don’t want to. If the vaccine is so great, then you have nothing to fear from me, right? The irrationality is mind-boggling.
I know I keep saying this.... But there's got to be a way to parse out the previously infected in this data set. When we are dealing with vaccination rates in the 90+ percentages, it's possible that the unvaccinated group is skewed heavily by the previously infected. It's also possible that we could be seeing the data biased in the exact opposite direction like we saw in Israel... Where the only people not getting vaccinated were too sick to do so.
I'm increasingly finding myself wondering if this vaccine data is completely broken due to selection bias. What type of people are rejecting these vaccines? If only the drug companies hadn't deleted their control groups....
Keep in mind: most of these people died of not being treated.
No prophylaxis (vit D...), no HCQ+Zinc, no IVM, nothing.
Betrayed by the brittish healthcare system.
Without State healthcare they would be alive, unjabed.
Government is the problem.
The strength of the Omicron response propaganda is directly proportional to the obviousness of vaxx failure. They cannot hide behind "rates" for very much longer before a vast population comes into awareness. Hopefully Omicron hype becomes their final "cry wolf" moment.
yes it really does seem like the vaxes are a complete failure. I have a BS biochem degree and I work as a physician in NJ USA so I understand the concepts of priming, and escape and ADE.
there are unacceptable levels of adverse events including deaths, a waning of protection, the possibility that the vaxes are selecting for variants ( whether those new variants will be more or less dangerous remains to be seen- the natural course would be for new variants to almost always be LESS virulent). By now it seems that we should be seeing a lower death rate in the vaxxed than at this time last year. But also the vaxxed tend to be a more at-risk population anyway. Maybe there is no vaccine that could possibly be developed that would help these people. Maybe their immune systems are not capable of even responding to any vax.
But regardless, the mass vax campaign has been a failure. THe greatest public policy failure in human history. Its kind of like watching the machinations of the US federal reserve. THey just keep doubling down on a failed bad policy. Im worried that there could be a mass casualty event from ADE or a huge surge in cardiac events ...
So, better to not take a booster, wait for natural infection and hope it gives you longer/better protection. Rather than stay in the cycles of '3-4 month protection followed by negative efficacy' over and over?
More and more critical responses in Belgium. Here is a good one. The government is trying to get everyone a booster. This lady writes : a third jab won't give life long protection. (that is what the government states). Otherwise they would not have started a fourth round in Israel. Stop all those silly rules that don't work and let nature do its job. I prefer a shorter but free life to an long incarcerated one.
Several others sound the same bell. The first one did not work. The second one did not work. Do you really think the third one will do the job?
Only a few fanatics seem to continue the craze. A sigh of relief. I think the elderly, used to do what the government says, will continue to booster. But the younger population is getting more and more annoyed. I am curious what the next elections for the nuts will bring !
Question for eugyppius or anyone else qualified to respond. The reason behind mass vaccination is to bring about herd immunity. Am I correct in this assertion?
Heavily-vaccinated Iceland and Gibraltar experienced huge rates of infection after supposedly reaching herd-level vax status. Since this destroys the idea behind sticking a needle in every arm, it is completely irrational to continue to do this, especially given that the vaccinated carry as much viral load as the unvaccinated, right?
Third, was it pure folly (or outright mendacity) to believe and assert that the vax would eliminate covid? Has there ever been a respiratory virus brought to heel through vaccination?
Do we know if the virus has a latent effect? Can you be "infected" with no symptoms and then the virus will "emerge" and create sickness later? I guess what I'm wondering is if containment measures really don't matter as the vaccinated "infect" themselves based on prior exposure long ago.....
UK just went to 3month booster schedule for all 18+. Total vaxxine failure.
One thing to consider is the government changed the definition of fully vaxed for over 40s a few weeks back, you need to be triple vaxed or you loose your vax passport. I wouldn't be surprised if they use that to fudge the numbers.
The problem that I personally am having is dealing with the hostile belief that the unvaxxed are a serious danger to society. Even though it’s illogical and unscientific to believe that, based on our experiences with prior vaccines and mutant viruses (I.e., yearly colds and flus), I have well-educated people in my life who have taken their heads off and put them on the shelf re: COV.
I mean, fine, take the shot if you want to, but leave me alone if I don’t want to. If the vaccine is so great, then you have nothing to fear from me, right? The irrationality is mind-boggling.
In the UK, when are you considered vaccinated for purposes of these numbers? Are they using the bogus 14 days after vaccination that the USA is using?
Our host has apparently been purged from Twitter. F
I know I keep saying this.... But there's got to be a way to parse out the previously infected in this data set. When we are dealing with vaccination rates in the 90+ percentages, it's possible that the unvaccinated group is skewed heavily by the previously infected. It's also possible that we could be seeing the data biased in the exact opposite direction like we saw in Israel... Where the only people not getting vaccinated were too sick to do so.
I'm increasingly finding myself wondering if this vaccine data is completely broken due to selection bias. What type of people are rejecting these vaccines? If only the drug companies hadn't deleted their control groups....
Maybe it is worth noting that excess deaths in UK and Germany during November is practically the same (a little less that 20 percent).
So the raw death #'s are bad for the vaxxed, but the RATES are still good for that group. Seems like a solid argument for vaxxing? Help me out here.
And here are the death numbers: BOOM. That chart sure jumps off the page at you.